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This is Alcohol Freedom Finders. And this week we've had the pleasure of talking to Tony Fields, the creator and founder of pH seven Performance, which is a members, uh, group for men who want to live better and be better dads at home and like, who needs to be, uh, an alcoholic to stop drinking? What about just wanting to be a better version of yourself? So we're gonna be diving into that with Tony and we can't wait to see you there.

Justine Clark 0:32

So welcome everybody to the Alcohol Freedom Finders. I am super excited today because we have with us. Fields, he is the creator and founder of pH seven Performance. he's also created a community for, driven Dads looking for a better quality of life. And I'm super excited to hear about that and what you're doing for those lucky men.

Tony Fields 1:00

Thank you for the invite. It's fantastic to be with you both. look, I've, I've formed that community because. I think we're, we're all at the moment just so We're, we're, most of us are working longer than ever before. We're constantly switched on. We're struggling to juggle our business lives with our family lives and, and our kind of health and wellbeing often goes out the window. And, and I created this because I didn't wanna form another business community. It was for business people, but actually who wanted to be a better version of themselves at home. And they wanted to. Kind of be that dad that they know they're capable of being, they wanna start prioritizing their health and wellbeing and, and, and actually to be more present and spend less, less time online. time reconnecting with what matters. So, yeah, that seems to have struck a chord with, quite a few of the, people who have joined my communities.

Barry Condon 1:54

That's brilliant. That's brilliant. Yeah. Nice to, nice to, nice to meet you, Tony. so tell us, how did you come to this realization? Is it something that, that came to you self first, that, that I, you thought, okay, I need to focus more at home rather than just on my work? Or, or, or, yeah. Tell us about how you came to the idea.

Tony Fields 2:10

Yeah, look, it started about five years ago. when I ran my, I left a corporate career, ran my first business. Desperate for that to succeed. I'd always wanted to run a business and, but I was quite an obsessive person and, and I, I a lot of pressure on myself and externally, it always looked great. would look at where we lived and our family and, the business. And I had a big, a decent sized team at that point. And it, and it looked great. And, and the pictures were great online, but like internally. It was, it was pressure, it was stress, it was anxiety. It was, I'd get home and be, if I'm honest, like a shadow of myself, I'd, I'd take out my frustrations on my kids. And so that's kind of where this started. And I, I, I, I initially formed a coaching business and, and, and I've worked with lots and lots of driven dads. And what I found was when you connect the right people together, people who are who, who get it. who, what are equally driven to be better at home than they're at at work. I found it, it, kind of, the guy started inspiring each other and I did it initially as a pilot 18 months ago. I just reached out to some old clients and said, you know what, how about spending some time with some other people and, and being part of a community that's not a business community, but it's about being better. For yourself. And, some of my old clients were up for this and just, it, it's grown in ways I didn't expect actually. we've hosted retreats. We've, we've had a lot of experts in, the areas of sleep and breath work and lots of interesting areas. And, I've just started to realize that, We need more spaces for these conversations. And one thing that comes out quite a lot is a lot of my members tell me, I, I don't tell my closest friends of 25 years what I tell members in this community about what things are really like.

Barry Condon 4:14

Hmm.

Tony Fields 4:15

And that's not what, to be

Justine Clark 4:17

Yeah, I

Tony Fields 4:17

that. But that's what's happening and that's, I find that quite powerful.

Justine Clark 4:21

It is super powerful actually one of the kind of, fundamental principles of Annie Grace's work, which is where we started, in her, effective liminal psychology theory. Is this concept of we need three things to be present for change, which is the emotion, the emotion based change. That's where we change those subconscious beliefs. The second part is relationships. We need to find our tribe and our community. That's a key element, and that's what you've tapped into there. And lastly, we need to also have this, hearing from a position of authority. And that's what you've also set up for your, for your gang. You are getting people to come in that speak from authority so that they can put together, the, the, the emotions and the belief to change into being super dad.

Tony Fields 5:12

It's, it's, yeah. Interesting to hear about. It makes a lot of sense to me.

Justine Clark 5:16

so that process, and maybe me speaking a little bit to more to. Why you stopped drinking in order to be the super dad yourself? What was one of your biggest struggles and how did you overcome it?

Tony Fields 5:32

Yeah, look, good question. I, I think for me. I mean, I dabbled at this initially, probably 15 years ago actually. I, I remember initially recently being made single, or becoming single. And and I would be like, I'd live two lives. I'd be this professional bloke in the week. Quite a good job. And, and, and then at the weekend I'd be different and I'd, I would drink too much and, and I'd kind of always just deep down, I wanted to be a dad. I wanted to get married, I wanted to have, and I was like wrestling with these two personalities. And so 15 years ago, I actually, after a holiday where I went away with a few friends and drunk too much, decided to go alcohol free for a year. So that was when I was about 30 and I did that for the first time and I was single and I played a lot of sport and I was around a kind of sporting drinking culture. So it, I just wanted to test myself. then I, I look, I, I, I, I, I, I did continue start drinking again kind of 12 months later, not excessively, and probably in the last few years, I, I, I'm, no, I haven't been a big drinker for quite some time. I would. I tend to socially at events, I think I'd prefer to have something in my hand to probably to fit in. And

Barry Condon 6:53

Mm.

Tony Fields 6:53

into this habit of Friday nights finish work. What do you do? You have a two or three beers. And then what happened to me was I would wake up got four children between the ages of four and 10. you can imagine a Saturday morning they want to see

Barry Condon 7:10

Hmm.

Tony Fields 7:10

and they've not seen that be that much in the week. would just be, I just wouldn't sleep as well. I wouldn't sleep as well. I would, have a bit of a headache normally, and my attention span was just a little bit less. I'd just get, so what did I do hand on heart. I'd want them to probably go on a device of some description. So it wasn't like a, like a massive realization or a huge, overnight experience where I reached rock bottom. It was just. I just had a look in the mirror and thought, you know what? That's, that's not the dad I wanna be. 'cause I'd feel guilty every Saturday. I'd feel like I know I should be giving them more attention and presence, but I wasn't.

Barry Condon 7:55

I can completely relate to that. I mean, I, I, I, went through a very, it was very similar sort of scenario with, with, with my kids, it was, it was, dad was on duty, Saturday, Sunday, and, and yeah, it, we watched an awful lot of Disney movies and, and, and, things on, on DVD when, when the kids were young. And, yeah. I mean, it took, it took a while for me. I mean, obviously I did feel guilty, but I, I, I, it just didn't seem like a, there would, there was a way out that that culture just sort of meant, you drank until, someone told you you were an alcoholic and you had to stop. and how, how did you sort of come up with the courage to sort of make the change yourself? Did

Tony Fields 8:28

I actually, I was in a,

Barry Condon 8:30

it feel like a sort of cultural thing?

Tony Fields 8:31

it's, it, I definitely feel there was that expectation to fit in. I mean, I actually was, it was November, 2024 and I. I was part of a, a different community, and I went to Florida on a, on a business trip, which you can imagine at home. My, my children were quite jealous of me going to, America at that time of year, and I, I paid a lot of money to go. I made a lot of sacrifices to go, and I just, that first night had a few drinks because that's what everybody was doing, and the next morning I woke up and I just slept rubbish. I, again, I, I didn't have a clear head the next day and I was like. I made the decision there, and then I was like, I've just paid all this money to go to Florida, to better myself, to better my business, to hopefully create a better life. And I've, and I, and I don't feel great and I've self-inflicted and I only had two or three drinks. I didn't have, I wasn't up all night or anything like that, so I just came home and decided there, and then that's me done

Justine Clark 9:31

I yeah.

Tony Fields 9:32

yeah. I, I just, it's just small. It wasn't a big thing. It was just small thing, but I just thought, no, that doesn't, it doesn't work for me anymore.

Justine Clark 9:40

I just love that. And we, we were chatting earlier before we, push record saying that, there's this realization now that you don't have to be an alcoholic to stop drinking. maybe it's just you notice that that kind of disjoint, and I certainly did. I know Barry did too. Like I was the girl that. got the kids off to school, went to the gym every day. got the housework done, the part-time job done, or even work going into the city and still working. Come home, cook the dinner. But to cook the dinner 'cause I was so knackered, it would be with a large glass of wine or, or two and then I'd wake up feeling a bit, ugh. And at the weekends you drink more 'cause oh my God, it's the weekend. Thank God for that. But I knew somewhere in the back of my psyche that it was. lives batting against one another. That actually, what I really wanted to do more than anything of all was to, I to wake up feeling fresh. I wanted to wake up with energy, and I wanted to wake up with one of the things that you are talking about, Tony, a sense of presence. I wanted to be present, not not just as a mom, but as as myself. I wanted to wake up feeling fresh. what would you say to someone, Who's looking to join your membership or looking to make that decision for themself? What, what, what sage words would you say about getting on that journey?

Tony Fields 11:07

I mean, often people who who join my communities say I wanna be the best version of myself.

Justine Clark 11:13

Hmm.

Tony Fields 11:15

That's the word that comes up all the time. And they, all of their focus has often been on the business and on their career. And, I think there's this notion that I work hard today to provide a lot of my are providers. They're the main breadwinner and, and they're great at providing, and they're, they perceive their role is provide financially to hopefully retire. 10 years earlier than, or five years earlier than planned. so, and look, that's what my dad aspired to do. And he worked in a pretty stressful sector banking, and sadly, within an 18 months of retiring, died and didn't get to enjoy that. And that's just sad, but so common. So I think my members, come to that realization. It often happens around that midpoint in life where they think, you know what? Yeah, I, I don't wanna wait. I wanna seize the moment. I wanna make some better choices. And, and it's not through lack of effort. Normally it's, it's often through. it's hard. It's hard to do this. These make these decisions on your own. It's hard to give up alcohol on your own. It's hard to. Be consistent with your exercise on your own. It's hard to switch off consistently at a reasonable time on your own. So they kind of, seem to, be attracted with that sort of the fact that they're belonging to something and they're all committed to being a better version of themselves at home.

Barry Condon 12:47

That's really good. I mean, I, I like that. It, it, it, that idea of, of being, the better version of yourself and also that it, it does come to you, where it came to me as well, sort of midlife, that idea of actually, no, I'm, I'm, I'm overweight, I'm drinking too much. I still would, In 2013, when I sort of first started, I was still smoking. kids were sort of about 10 years old and, I worked really hard and felt like I needed, these things to relax. And it started to sort of, I started to realize that actually, by not taking care of myself, I was, I, I, I was, having to work harder in the mornings. And, and, and, you just sort of was, it was the downward spiral and, When you start taking care of yourself and start feeding yourself better, and you start exercising, you start sleeping, and you start, and you, all these artificial, dopamine stimulants, try and get them under, to a manageable level. the benefits are just, they're not immediate. They're, they're, we sort of talk about them, the, the, the, with dopamine it can be, it's very easy to find a switch to turn on the dopamine and, and, Open your phone and, and, and, and find something, funny to, some, some scrolling, to do or, or smoke a cigarette or, eat a donut or, or, have a drink. All those things are, are very quick fixes. but if you can find the sort of seeds that, that, that, earn your dopamine, do something that, that, will actually, Have a lasting effect. And, and, and Justine's great with this all, and, and I'm sure that, that this is part of the, the things that you're doing with your, community, the sort of the meditation, the breathing, that, that ice, exposure and, and, all, all the things that, that, take us back to, to, our, our ancestry of the way that, that, our survival instinct was supposed to stimulate, dopamine. It, it, it's, you realize, oh yeah, that's much more healthy and, and, it's hard, like you say, it's harder to do, but, but it, that sort of delayed gratification is, is so much better for you and so much more enjoyable when it comes. So.

Justine Clark 14:39

us a little

Barry Condon 14:39

Tell us a little bit about the things that you do in your community with, with the, with the, with the guys. What, what are your, I know that Justine's gonna come on and, and, and, and, and do a session with you. What, what are you gonna do yourself, Justine? For, for, for, for Tony.

Justine Clark 14:51

well, we are gonna talk about,

Barry Condon 14:53

I.

Justine Clark 14:54

How this belief change works with, the methodology we, we use. But I'm gonna start by going through, a yoga nira style meditation. And for those that dunno what Yoga Nira is, it's that nons sleep deep rest. So by taking the brainwaves into that relaxation state, that switching off that work busy brain, which lots of us have. You're able to be in a more receptive, state to, to change. So, and, and calmer and your nervous system gets back online. So literally, it's almost like a little exercise, improving how you don't need alcohol to make that gear change. Perhaps a yoga little 10 minute yoga Nira would do that same thing. So that's what I'm gonna do with, the members. Great.

Tony Fields 15:40

and that's, and that's, we've had a few other experts come in previously and, these, my, I, I'll be blunt, five years ago I was, I was not open to these techniques. Genuinely I'd not open, I, I, I kind of would've thought of, of, of. Meditation as someone with long hair, much longer hair than me, sitting on a yoga mat and, and probably in the, in Bali. what's encouraging is, is I've kind of seen the impact of some of these things and my members are now open to these practices and I would say typically a lot of them are heightened. we're in all day in that response mode. We are, we're getting distracted and we've got loads going on, and we feel like heightened and a lot of them are. Also kind of time poor. They kind of think that they don't have enough time and they're juggling so many things. And so practices, these techniques, we've had breath work experts. We've had some folks on meditation. We've had, a GP founder of the Sleep Project, Cameron, recently. You mentioned sleep a bit earlier. Actually, look at. This is so basic, but we've forgotten how to get good quality sleep. So this fits so perfectly into what are doing. It's, it's really about us. If we can, it's inside out. If, if we can become calmer, actually reconnect with what matters, strip things back rather than add more to our plate, really commits to our wellbeing and exercise. make better choices at home or better boundaries, then the business takes care of themselves. You, and, and the also, you feel better, right? So, yeah, I'm really looking forward to that session. That will be very well received by, the, by the group.

Justine Clark 17:33

Me too. And, harping back to that word you said about feeling better, I just wanted to ask you around does it feel now? To be the guy that wakes up fresh on a Saturday morning. And how did it feel to be the guy in the, in your heart of hearts, that woke up having the kind of, through?

Tony Fields 17:59

I mean, if I start with a latter, I, I genuinely would often feel a bit guilty

Justine Clark 18:04

Hmm.

Tony Fields 18:06

I'd feel guilty cause I, I'd say to myself the night before, it's only one or two.

Justine Clark 18:11

Hmm.

Tony Fields 18:13

And I convinced myself that it's only one or two. And then I'd even probably be in a bit of, I kind of make excuses the next day. Initially I'd sort of find myself saying, but I only had one or two. I didn't do what these other people do who go out and 10 pints in the front. I wasn't even doing that, but I still felt guilty 'cause I knew I, I've created this. and it wasn't like this for me. It wasn't like an instant change overnight. I stopped this and slept like a baby, and it was all perfect. It took a bit of time, but, but I think the biggest thing was probably pride, actually. It was, like my children now, and I know they're young and they're probably, experiment like all children do, but they, they, they kind of lead by not what we say by what we do often. And I'd say we are doing a lot more together. We're doing a lot more outside. we've we've actually just signed up to climb Ben Neviss, the biggest mountain in the UK in, in six months time. And with my boys, he'll be nine and 11. So we're just doing a lot more like fun outdoor things that we, we just didn't do as many of those things previous. So it's, yeah, but I would say overall it's just of pride really. I'm proud of these decisions I'm making and and they can see that as well and it's rubbing off on them and, and it's, it's never as bad as you think. It's not been. I kind of, I dunno, I built this up to be like this huge thing and how am I gonna feel? And of course the first few weeks are a bit of a mental. I dunno battle, but nowhere near as bad as I thought it was gonna be. And if not, actually much, much better. So, yeah, I don't really miss it in truth.

Barry Condon 20:06

Yeah, I mean that's, that's, that's great to hear. I mean, and that's the thing that, that is so hard to believe, for someone who's still. Drinking and, and wondering, what life might be like without it. 'cause you just and naturally assume, the, the imagery we're given is, well you've gotta be at rock bottom or you've gotta be, the brown paper bag in the, in the, in the park kind of guy and, and have lost it completely. If, if you're gonna stop, that means you can't control it. You can't have. The right amount. And it's we don't talk about that with anything else. there's no sort of right amount of cigarettes or the a right amount of, of cocaine to be taking or, or, these things, it's, it's, it's, when you boil it down, it's a poison, that, that our livable help us get rid of. And, actually, it, it, isn't good for you and it's. It gives an illusion of, of being, for whatever reason it, it triggers dopamine and makes, it, gives you that sort of 20 minutes of feel good. But the, the, the science is really helping us now by showing that, actually we can, you can watch, what happens to people and, a drink will give you 20 minutes of, of buzz the, the thing that we like about it. but then it'll give you two or three hours of your body fighting it, with cortisol and with, with, lots of other hormones that basically bring you down and, and so they, they, they lower your baseline and you're left with, with, feeling worse and feeling more anxie, anxiety in the morning. And, and, and so everything that we, we wake up in the morning with that, that sort of regret and anxiety and and feeling, generally crappy. And unfortunately the, the trigger is still there. Think, oh, yeah, but you'll feel better if you have a drink, later in the day, you, you swear you might not, in the morning, but then by the end of the afternoon. The, the, the, the dopamine is a, sort of, is is as much a reward as it is, or as much a reminder and, and a, and a, and a sort of, a motivation to do it again. and so it's a difficult thing to sort of get yourself outta. So you need to take that break and, and sort of see it for yourself, and, and almost sort of psychologically wean yourself away from it. but when you could start to see it for what it is and start to. See the posi positive effects of not drinking then, when you get to, to, for, at least for me, I, I, I, I haven't, drunk for, for since, what was it, 2018, so it's quite a while now, and I, I look at it and think, gosh, it, what a waste. And I wish I'd stopped much earlier because, I see it for what it is now. It's, it's an illusion. It was never, it was always taking away more than it gives, But yeah, no, it's, it's, it's when you. It's great to hear, success stories and it's great to, for, for people to understand that. Yeah, if you give it a try, then you know, it might not be as bad as you think. And actually, after a while it'll go, oh yeah, actually all the benefits, that they are, make it really, really worthwhile have you approached it with your, your, the guys in your, in your group, how do they, look at, look at drinking?

Tony Fields 23:01

I think, look, we've, I mean there are plenty in my group who did a dry January, a lot of people do a dry January. And, I have,

Barry Condon 23:08

Hmm.

Tony Fields 23:08

have a member who hasn't drunk for, for probably about nine months. We're gonna be addressing it properly in 10 days time. Okay. So we've been addressing quite a number of things and, and, and I've been kind of dropping this in that, that, so building this up. It's a conversation I'm looking, looking forward to, but, it's, it's just another good example of, of, I want to be a better version of myself and a number of things we can do that are gonna help us to have more energy, have. Less headaches. BI don't know, want to, want to do more stuff with our family, which is why a lot of the guys are there. So I'm, I'm certainly not gonna be, I, I just wanna open a conversation and, and sort of have a real, kind of get into why people do it. And one thing that came to my mind when you were talking just then was, I used to associate drinking with certain things. I remember my, we are 12 years married this year, our 10 year anniversary. If we, we rarely would go away, but when we go away, I used to think, oh, it's nice to have a drink a bit like on a Friday night. It's nice to have a drink. So I'd associate having a drink and I remember on our 10 year anniversary going to Spain and it's the first time we'd been away without the kids for years having a couple of drinks again on the first night. 'cause that's what you do. We're together and, and, I didn't drink for the rest of the trip. The, the, the remaining two or three days. 'cause I, I just felt lousy and I was like, what? that's just what I've been accustomed to. It's what I've done. It's like a habitual pattern that's been ingrained in me and probably a lot of people. And I had to challenge that. And, and we talk about these types have ingrained patterns in my group quite a lot actually. so why should I, why, why do I have to away? And do something that's gonna make me feel less, have less fun ultimately for the most of the trip. so it was challenging, things like that, that I found quite powerful because, they're just, they're just patterns. They're just, we just do what we're familiar with, don't we?

Justine Clark 25:10

percent. And as a type perfectionist driven personalities, we think that we are gonna be the ones that can work out the right amount of alcohol. that's going to create this perfect life. We've been told that alcohol is included in that. We marketed that. Where the advertising is everywhere. It's on holiday, it's celebrations, Okay, so what is the right amount to drink on my trip, my 10th wedding anniversary? In order for it to tick all of the boxes, I'm very good at what I do, so I've gotta tick all the boxes. What is the right amount? but we know now that alcohol. doesn't equal fun when we wake up in the morning, we feel worse than when we started. And as Barry said, it's doing is creating a need for itself. So the work that we do is actually start to uncover why is it that we think we are getting a benefit from alcohol and why do we want to stop? And when you look at that balance sheet and you realize. One by one. All the things that you were getting from it are, in fact, as Barry says, an illusion you're left with. Hang on a minute, I've been duped. It's not what, it's all it's cracked up to be. And I'm not that guy. I, or girl I, I wanna wake up on my wedding anniversary in Rome, feeling bloody great. And actually Nick and I, my husband and I have realized that we. I dunno about you guys, but when you get on holiday, wherever you get to, whichever it's a bar or whatever, you get to, you go, I want that first drink. It's just that first drink, that first sip of that first drink, the cold. Yum. So we, we actually love our alcohol free beer and we have noticed that it's the event, the substance that's causing the, that triggers that kind of dopamine rush. It's like a really cold alcohol free beer. That first three gulps. It does exactly the same thing for my brain now as probably the alcohol did, all those years ago.

Barry Condon 27:21

Yeah, absolutely. It's the, it's the treat, that we are looking for and, and the reward that we are looking for and the escape that we are looking for and all those things. And, and when you realize. Actually, it does give you that briefly, but then it takes away more. Then you can start to think, people are worried, oh, I don't wanna replace it with something even more unhealthy. And if I, if I give up smoking and I start vaping, is that better? Or if I give up drinking and I start, I don't know, misbehaving with, with the neighbor or what, whatever. But the idea is that, yeah. You can find a healthy alternative. You can't find what your body really wants. What what is a real reward? And, and, and those are the things, the time with your, with your kids, the, the, the, the, the time with your partner, the relaxation, the real relaxation at the end of the day where you, maybe do a bit of meditation and then you could switch off for off the work for the, for, for the day, and transition into, into, into the evening. yeah, I mean, I, I think, I think it's, it's really, really, really powerful, to hear, to hear your story. so what are the, what are the challenges ahead then? What's, what's the future look like?

Tony Fields 28:26

The future? I, I think it's, when you feel like you've just kind of opened the door, you kind of open the door to a, maybe a. A new way of living. And I feel like I've been missing a trick for a long time. I think alcohol is one of those things there. mean, ultimately I, I feel like so many people have got success wrong I wanna play a part in helping people to redefine what success looks like. And in my particular case, with my community, helping really driven men driven dads redefine what success looks like. And, and I have real ambitions to do that. And I feel like I've just woken up. Like I literally woke up. Three or four years ago and realized not for the future. It's for now. It's for today. And, I've got lots of exciting plans to, to, hopefully help a lot more people. got some very interesting projects I'm working on. but we're going on a lot of family adventures and that's a big thing. my youngest, my oldest son, wants to be an adventurer. How cool is that? He wants to be an adventurer and, and it's strange because, and I don't, I I, I kind of look, life was different. I'm 45, 40 years ago. Right? And, and it was very different when we, when I was growing up, when we were growing up. And, I was encouraged to do certain things, encouraged to go into this professional career, encouraged to go to university, encouraged to conform, really, and I. Think it's amazing to learn. Like why can't my boy be an adventurer? Like we're going to Ben Neves so that he can experience and, it's exciting and he's so excited. So it's, it's, it's just that, yeah, why do we have to conform? Why don't we challenge perceptions and, and, And turn things on its head a little bit. And actually, why? I mean, I've got a guy joining my, he's in my community and he is joining a, I'm doing a reset challenge next week, right? And I'm doing a free challenge for people who are crazy busy and they know they need to step back. And I do this challenge and it's always, I haven't got time to come, but people that come to the first day stay all week, it's 30 minutes a day, and one of my members has got this amazing business. He was voted last year, the number one entrepreneur in the uk

Justine Clark 30:40

Whew.

Tony Fields 30:40

and he's got an amazing balance and he's got a fantastic purpose, a clear purpose, and that throws things on their head. 'cause you think like highly driven, highly successful, he would have no life. That's not true. That's not true. He's just chosen to believe that's not his reality. So, I dunno, a long way of saying I'm very excited about what's to come.

Justine Clark 31:04

I'm super excited about your journey as well, and you genuinely are. An alcohol and freedom finder and an adventurer. And you're role modeling that for your son and for your community. And for our community today as well. So we like to ask this of all of our guests. you had three words that kind of encapsulate your a FF journey so far, what would they be?

Tony Fields 31:34

I mean, definitely health. I definitely feel like I, with alcohol came other bad choices. It feels like when I make one good choice, there's a ripple effect and I make other good choices. I don't have that takeaway on the way home. I don't, so definitely health, I would say. Freedom. Freedom is a good way of putting it. I genuinely feel like, like quite liberated by going down this path. my final would be not conforming actually. It just feels like it's quite nice to not conform. And I was invited to speak at insurance conference with 400 people in Portugal. Last year and, and I was one of about three people not drinking, but I came home. I, I'd been away for four or five days and away from my children. My wife was holding the fort and I was energetic. When I came home and I picked up the mantle. I wanted to see them. I was not lying on the couch. I was, I felt like I'd had a reset, a rest, as well as doing my talks. I actually had a bit of downtime. Not conform. It's good to not conform.

Barry Condon 32:49

I love that, that those are three really, really good,

Justine Clark 32:52

good

Barry Condon 32:52

good takeaways for everybody. so, if people, would like to, find out more about you and, and, and, and your group, what can you, where can they find you?

Tony Fields 33:00

Yeah, the best place is probably my, my website, pH seven performance.com. Also I'm, I'm, very active on LinkedIn, so you can check me out on Tony Fields on LinkedIn. And, and I have a LinkedIn newsletter that's got, quite a big following, so performance without compromise. and look, if any of this resonates, come to one of my, free reset challenges, it's, it's, what a very good way to what it's like being part of a community for a week. My next one starts, quite soon, but I find it's only when you step back, you gain clarity.

Barry Condon 33:35

That's really good. Yeah. We'll make sure that those are in the, in the, those links will be in, in the show notes. And I think it's so important for, for, for someone to like you to be giving an opportunity for men to. To share and, and a safe space to sort of, to talk and, and, and realize that, we're, we're sort of as, as men we're, we have the feeling that, it's just to keep it all inside. It's just to keep it all together and be the, the provider that, that, that the strong, one and, And, it's, it's, it's not, what reality is, is, is we need as, as much support and as much help and as much friendship and community as, as, as, as women do, and, and women are traditionally better at, at, at, at seeking it out, and feeling okay about that. But, but I think it's, it's, it's really important for men too. So, so thank you for what you're doing.

Tony Fields 34:22

Thank you for having me. I've enjoyed the conversation and, I, I love the sound of what you're doing. I'll be certainly sharing it with, a lot of my connections.

Justine Clark 34:29

Thanks so much Tony, and you really are role modeling how to be a Super dad and a Superman.

Tony Fields 34:38

Very kind of you to

Justine Clark 34:39

Mm-hmm.