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This is Alcohol Freedom Finders. In this episode, we talk to Dan Justine's personal trainer. We'll hear how a near death experience led Dan to truly embrace his life as a fitness coach through self-awareness and the support of his fellow physical and mental health experts. We'll also learn his own daily routines and the importance of self-forgiveness and the power of community and connection in overcoming addictive behavior. Let's dive in.

Justine Clark: 0:24

Okay. Welcome everybody to another podcast with the Alcohol Freedom Finders. I am Justine Clark, and today we're, I'm super excited because I'm welcoming my very own personal trainer, Dan Ro. I've said that wrong, but you know, forgive me Dan. So excited to have you with me. You certainly helped me on my transformation journey. So, so excited to have you here.

Dan Panzanaro: 0:51

Thank you. I'm really excited to be as well. Thank you guys. I'm

Barry Condon: 0:54

Yeah.

Dan Panzanaro: 0:54

a message that is very important.

Barry Condon: 0:56

Yeah. Welcome Dan. Yeah, really nice to meet you. So, personal trainer and friend of Justine's when she was back in, in, in Peckham. So take us back to your own sort of story and, and, and you know, I understand that you no, you no longer drink now yourself. How, you know, how did you come to that decision and what was, what was life like for you when you decided to change?

Dan Panzanaro: 1:16

Was a, I think a consequences of events that I put in my life that can make me decide this is not something that needs to, that needs to be my life. I think the word article in addition are anyone needs, needs to carry their own crossed, don't they? So semi funny story about, about life really, you

Justine Clark: 1:38

About life.

Dan Panzanaro: 1:38

I'll tell you the story. So we went at a party and my lung collapsed. I remember being in

Justine Clark: 1:46

I

Dan Panzanaro: 1:46

taxi, praying with every little piece pieces of me for another chance, you know, for, for another possibility of keep helping people really'cause. I'm a bit people pleaser, so I quite like to, to help people and give what people need really. So that's what my really my call, you know.

Justine Clark: 2:06

Thanks for sharing that difficult thing to share. One of the things that I would say about meeting you. And, being your friend is that rarely do you meet people that you just, you start from this incredible, heartfelt connection. We often do actually find people in this kind of work where the, the connection is so vulnerable and authentic, but with you, it was instant. I felt that you are someone who is incredibly present and incredibly from the heart and, and really there for people. And I can see how actually.

Dan Panzanaro: 2:39

Thank You

Justine Clark: 2:40

You know, a very special person. for people that are, you know, super connected and able to do that, I think that alcohol just can cause a veil or a gauze to come over that and disrupt that connection. Yeah. Anyway, so how, how did you start turning it around from, okay, here I am in a taxi, I've got a collapsed lung, something's gotta change. What did you do about it?

Dan Panzanaro: 3:05

I just saw all my life really. I know it sounds a bit overdramatic, a little bit well, by the way, my legs recovered that are lost scar. So it is all, it is all fine.

Justine Clark: 3:14

I

Dan Panzanaro: 3:14

back to my life and started to, to think when did I start to drink the first time? You know, and I gotta be honest, my thing wasn't really much drinking, by the way, other addictions to it. That's why I'm saying everyone carried his own cross around. And I was lucky a lot because I've always this, this half side of me that kinda knew there wasn't the right thing. So somehow I always ended up working. I wasn't up being nice to people. I wasn't self-sabotaging myself to that point. But I think it could have, it could have be more dramatic, to be honest. It could beat me so much worse.

Justine Clark: 3:52

Yeah.

Dan Panzanaro: 3:53

So, yeah, that happened four years ago by now. And and, and again, I, I get

Justine Clark: 3:58

Into,

Dan Panzanaro: 4:00

my mom got me in the gym because she wanted to me out of the street, I should have went to school. so. So the fitness was kind of always there, you know, it wasn't my main thing and I was working hospitality before. So hospitality background

Justine Clark: 4:18

But I always

Dan Panzanaro: 4:19

people friends. I'm some martial arts myself, so that's what it started anyway. then I think I made a conscious decision of establishing a business that would help people finding the true self four years ago. I know it sounds silly, but I think you know, Jay, when you say that it is something to the lung and to, to, to myself related to fitness, I use it, I use fitness at the moment as a key to self-awareness and to remind myself the

Justine Clark: 4:42

myself.

Dan Panzanaro: 4:42

to myself. And why it's important not to go back there, know? our freedom I think is great'cause what you guys do, you're telling people that, know, correct me if I'm wrong about it. You don't simply, you, you are an addict, let's say, for life. You can't just understand that what you did is not right. You know, you learning from it and then you move on. You forgive yourself. You know, I one of the important things that people don't do when they use substances is that they don't forgive themself and they want to change a situation. Within themself and then surrounding that they not really liking, you know, that's why someone drinks to take drugs or whatever they do. You know, not judging, it's, you know, being there on that. So I, I know exactly where it

Barry Condon: 5:25

Yeah.

Dan Panzanaro: 5:27

but you are right

Barry Condon: 5:28

Sorry. I was gonna say, yeah, I, I, I think, I think there's a lot of, a lot of truth in what you say. That, that, that I think when, when you say everyone's got a cross, I think the idea that there's so much around us at the moment that that is addictive. You know, the things, you know, our, our telephones, you know, sugar, Smoking vaping. Any kind of illicit drugs, drinking, and, you know, it's all there and it's, it's all pushed to us by the media as a way to change the way that you feel and improve the situation that you're in, in that moment. And I think, it's also very true the way that you sort of say, you know, you, you, it can be very difficult to, to forgive yourself for, for getting involved and getting too attached to something. But it's also, I think part of the way that we approach is to realize that it's not you and it's not your fault. And and so you certainly should forgive yourself because you're just. Reacting to a substance that, or a behavior that is addictive. You know, it's, it's sort of tapping into something ancient in our brains that makes us feel we want more of it. And, and that it's really important. And, you know, and, and in some situations it can even feel like it's, you know, life and death that, that important. But the reality is that if you can take a break, can take a step back and see things. From a different angle, you can realize actually, no, it's not. Do me any favors. And, and so how did you, when you, when you took it, I, I assumed then when you, you know, you, you, you had this sort of dramatic moment. You know, I had something similar where, where I ended up cutting my head. I didn't remember what had happened and my kids came home and they found me and I was, oh, just, you know, humiliating and, and scary and. And realize, okay, I've, I've gotta change, you know? How was that for you? You, you, did you find it difficult to stop drinking? Did you find it at sort of the next day that was it, I'm

Dan Panzanaro: 7:27

Nah, you, you won't believe it. I carry on doing Mr. Barry.

Barry Condon: 7:32

that's very normal.

Dan Panzanaro: 7:33

So, you know, it took I, I don't know, it just woke up one day literally knowing if you carry on this, you're gonna die. I had that thing deep down me and. And I just and I just had to to that. You know, I just had to be able to give strength to it. I, I'm sorry to disagree with you on point. I agree. 99%. Everything that you said before, I, I slightly disagree is about, is the people that are not taking responsibility for their life, they develop an election. Because if you, if you always fault in someone, you're finding your. You, you almost protecting yourself around your bubble, around the substances. You know, talking within yourself it's someone else fault that had happened. You know, you're not taking charge at least, actually,

Barry Condon: 8:23

I think you're right.

Dan Panzanaro: 8:23

apologize, I don't know. Sound, you know. too extreme maybe that's was

Barry Condon: 8:26

No, I think, I think you're right. It, it's, it's, it's definitely, it's ev it's our own responsibility to get ourselves out of it and realize, you know, but like, I, I'm just not saying it's not, so, it's not somebody's fault that they've become addicted, but it is their responsibility to fix it, their own responsibility to fix it. That's, that's the way that I look at it, at least. Justine, do you ever have a question?

Dan Panzanaro: 8:47

Yes, because

Justine Clark: 8:48

the. the.

Dan Panzanaro: 8:49

you there. Sorry.

Justine Clark: 8:52

the, the. The, distinction that we make in our work is that it's, it's not your fault because alcohol and food and sugar and drugs are addictive substances. They are addictive. And our, our, our. The brain just asks for more that's gonna make it happy. It's not clever enough to know whether the dopamine is good dopamine or bad dopamine. It doesn't know that it's our responsibility, like what you have done to go. I'm gonna give my body an opportunity to make good dopamine through exercise and through good, good choices. And slowly retrain the brain that that's the only dopamine I, I I want. That's why Barry and I are here to help people see that,

Dan Panzanaro: 9:35

Fantastic.

Justine Clark: 9:36

it's not their fault, but it's their choice and it's their responsibility. Like I I I, so anytime that someone comes to me as a wellbeing therapist and is looking for support or health, help me, help me, help me, I'm like. Here are the tools for you to help yourself because there, there's only one person that you're responsible for this work, this world, unless you've got children there's only one person that can turn that around and we, we know the answer

Barry Condon: 10:01

Hmm.

Justine Clark: 10:02

would you say to someone that's looking to you know, they come into you, theyre potential client they're overweight with a bad lifestyle. How do you help them reframe it?

Dan Panzanaro: 10:14

Oh my God. Starting to analyze in everything that they do, talking to them so much, you know, starting under that understand their beliefs, what they're thinking is right, what they're thinking is wrong. You know, having a look on their surrounding'cause you know, Mr. Gary, I might have to correct myself to what I said before. I think you're right. You surrounding can definitely get you down into addictions, you know, so definitely never looking into the support group that they have around. And understanding what the real reason of the change that they want is, know, is interesting or string reason what that, the desire to change come from. And if they, how did they start there? Probably I will be more interested to see if there even there, there is. I don't really like the word, but if there is some drama right there, they generate the, the repetitive behavior, you know, and then making'em understand that it's, it's okay. Definitely no judgment. You know, it's, it is what it is in the end of the day, and they should be proud of themself because they want to, to make a change and, starting fresh. That's it.

Barry Condon: 11:18

Really good, really good. And I, I think you're right. I think trauma can be a, a, a key part to what keeps people stuck because it feels like it's an antidote or it feels like it's, it's a relief from when I think when when people. Particularly with drugs and with alcohol when, when you take them only in a sort of positive way, if that's the right way to as, as a sort of just for fun and just with socially and just to sort of make a situation bigger and better. If that's your approach, it's, it tends to be less have a less negative or slower to is slower to have a, a negative effect on you. But I think when it's, when it. When it's traumatic when it's an emotional thing or, or, or, or a depression thing, or an anxiety thing,

Dan Panzanaro: 12:08

Exactly.

Barry Condon: 12:09

it can be really, you can really clinging onto it tight and, and that can be difficult. But, but again, if you can see, you know, what's driving it and if you can see. What the effect that it's actually having and that, you know, it's, it's sort of making it, making the situation worse rather than better. Then it can be something that you can, that allows you to sort of take a step back and, and, and start to move away and maybe, you know, taking a break and what have you. And, and like Justin said, looking for healthier ways to

Dan Panzanaro: 12:40

it.

Barry Condon: 12:40

yourself, you know, the, the, to get the dopamine flowing is, is really, really a good way to go. And if I can ask you you know, what, in these years, in these, did you say four years since you, since you stopped, you know, what, what, what sort of surprises have you had Life without, without alcohol and other, and other substances?

Dan Panzanaro: 12:59

Yeah. I think you're so much as a person. You know, it's very interesting how much more aware of your thoughts you become. It's crazy, you know, I don't think that's, that's really what, what helped me. Throughout this year, you know, with all my clients as well, is self-awareness. know, it is being able to observe yourself and, but not without judgment. It's because if you judge, then that's what the negatives it took happens. And that's what, again, you going back to the addiction. So just be a completely observer, detach, stoic kind of thing. If you, if you really want to put it in a simpler terms, you know, Yeah, so that that really clarity, you know, develops, develops a lot, a lot of clarity and yeah, so self observance will be my answer. So it's, it is what really. you start to be aware of people around you, behaviors that they have, your own, how you remember, and how you would've acted in that situation. If you had the stunts in you, you, you kinda start to be a bit more compassionate toward people that, that easier because you understand and they're in a little loop and. You know, it's very hard. You, about that moment. It's very hard for me to recall that moment when that happened, because I know what you're talking about. But when that actually was is I, I do not know. You know? Yeah, but I think it's,

Justine Clark: 14:24

Yeah.

Dan Panzanaro: 14:24

been in sober many years for yourself

Barry Condon: 14:28

Yeah. I mean, it, it's, it was 2018 when I stopped, so whatever that is. Seven years. Yeah. Yeah. It's been a while. Yeah.

Dan Panzanaro: 14:35

Even, even yourself, you haven't,

Justine Clark: 14:39

Three, three years last month from when I really knuckled down to, to commit to, you know, a permanent change. And I think maybe the fact that we are similar timeframes and when we met each other, we both knew that we were communicating with the world from a different place.'cause what you said is dead rise. Two things I wanna say, first of all. addiction and trauma. I see it as like for those of us that have experienced deep trauma in our childhood, whatever kind, whether it's physical or mental, it's like there's a crack. There's a little crack in our vessel. The vessel of self, and that's what alcohol or substance is looking for. It's looking for those little cracks and it gets into those cracks and says, Hey, I'm your friend. I'm the per, I'm gonna, I'm here for you. And nobody else says, but I'm here for you. I'm your cozy blanket. I'm the thing. It's the thing. So as soon as you realize that, as Barry always says, it's an illusion, it's not the thing, then you start to find that freedom. And then the second part was we, we, are kept there. Because both with trauma and with substance, we feel shame both with trauma and with substance. We feel like it's our fault we are to blame, and as soon as we go, actually that substance is shitty and that situation was shitty. I'm gonna look after myself. That's when we start to sort of, call our way back to, you say, building a life where the first time. Holy shit. It's just me. What are, what decisions am I gonna make? And as you say, that's the beginning point. It's not like,

Dan Panzanaro: 16:17

No. No.

Justine Clark: 16:17

I've stopped doing the things and I'm fixed. You just, you just get yourself back to the starting line going, okay, now what? So what was your biggest fear or challenge now that you are kind of like, okay, I'm free of all that

Dan Panzanaro: 16:33

Well, I think the one of the biggest challenge is nice is how do I keep it? Right, because there are not many tools out there, and especially for a person like me I get bored very easily of things. So all those apps, all those sounds, they don't really provide you accountability, do that. not therapies you're going to psychological psychotherapies. I do. I really recommend to Aaron. I think everyone that really wants to go person, you should experience that. But that's, well, someone sales choice. so. Did that answer your question, do you think? What'd you think?

Justine Clark: 17:10

I think I wanted to, the, what I was asking you was you get yourself back to the starting line with no substance, with no no other props. one, you go and see someone to help because you realize that it's grasping for solutions and you a way of staying. A way of staying in your choice. Yes. You answered it because you said your biggest fear is. How do I stay present in this new, in this new way? And if, yeah,

Dan Panzanaro: 17:38

Did you guys,

Justine Clark: 17:40

and that, and that is, that is, that's why we are here. I mean, literally why we are here. We believe in repetition, repetition, repetition. And we believe in community and connection. Other thing, you know, we, we have the science. The science is there that proves. That holds up. We are just here to go. Talk to me about it. Let's talk with each other about it. There's no shame. My story, you know, it took me, it's taken us a long time to start to share some of the details about our stories. I, I went to see a, I went to see a play last night that percent recommend if, if, if it is doing the tour a tour it's called. The dry house and it's basically about, you know, two Irish sisters and their stories. The more that we get the stories out there and share and hold each other accountable and make each other feel safe in, in a new way.

Dan Panzanaro: 18:30

Problem becomes, I

Justine Clark: 18:32

thanks. Thanks.

Barry Condon: 18:35

Yeah, really good. And I think, I think therapy is, is definitely, certainly when, when trauma's involved you know, the, the just, you know, coaching can be can be, you know, part of your journey. But I think when you, when you're struggling with, with mental health on another level when it's not just about. Straightly, you know, straight about, you know, an addictive substance or behavior. Then yeah, I think, I think there's definitely a place for, for, for psychotherapy or, or other forms of therapy. And, and it could, you know, it's really important that that also you know, is, is, is, is clear that, you know, that that coaching isn't necessarily the cure of, for, for, for, you know, our, our, our whole, for, for, for everything. So, When it. comes to life today what's your, so what's your daily routine now? What, what, what, what, what are you, are you a morning person? Are you still an evening person? What, what,

Dan Panzanaro: 19:30

Good likely, but very busy. I was a, a morning person, but I became one. I have to say it is. I think you got a lot to do in a day. You can't wake up after certain time, you know? But yeah, so I've got really strict routine in the morning and really something that

Justine Clark: 19:48

But yeah, so,

Dan Panzanaro: 19:49

the day. if I don't do it, don't know, it might be a plateau or

Justine Clark: 19:54

and

Dan Panzanaro: 19:54

it can do all the day. It

Justine Clark: 19:56

I know it might be a flat

Dan Panzanaro: 19:57

in

Justine Clark: 19:57

thing, but it can today,

Dan Panzanaro: 19:59

I wake up, I'll make up the coffee bit of a tradition, but I still have the classical moca there, so I put it there on the fire

Justine Clark: 20:07

but I still,

Dan Panzanaro: 20:07

goes. I already my mat there and I do my, my breathing,

Justine Clark: 20:12

my

Dan Panzanaro: 20:12

coat, awakening my stretches.

Justine Clark: 20:14

my, breath. My,

Dan Panzanaro: 20:15

Don't expect a lot of time,

Justine Clark: 20:17

my,

Dan Panzanaro: 20:17

15 minutes, stop. It's all done. I stay there and I do my diary, so I.

Justine Clark: 20:24

after my,

Dan Panzanaro: 20:25

Things all the

Justine Clark: 20:25

So

Dan Panzanaro: 20:26

I write them down and in the morning I take those three

Justine Clark: 20:29

all the time. So I write them down in the morning,

Dan Panzanaro: 20:31

to, to kind of understand if they and then create a list to go through. And, and so

Justine Clark: 20:38

and then

Dan Panzanaro: 20:38

15, 70

Justine Clark: 20:39

through and

Dan Panzanaro: 20:40

five minutes

Justine Clark: 20:41

about.

Dan Panzanaro: 20:43

And then start to plan a day really.

Justine Clark: 20:45

And then

Dan Panzanaro: 20:46

But one thing I would recommend starts journaling. Very important,

Justine Clark: 20:49

yeah,

Dan Panzanaro: 20:50

very,

Justine Clark: 20:50

thing I recommend

Dan Panzanaro: 20:51

cause a certain period, you know, we might be thinking, I actually, I think that everything's going badly just because I loop in a tote and that repeats all the

Justine Clark: 21:00

because.

Dan Panzanaro: 21:01

But the journaling with the date, clarify the things for you so you don't have to rely on your memory for that. I would really recommend, especially to someone that decides to start to journey up or stopping in article. Really important. Also, you're keeping yourself accountable and so, yeah. Yeah. Do you have any routine in the morning? What's your I dunno, do you guys just wake up and go sad or?

Justine Clark: 21:24

I, I a hundred percent agree with you that or free, free journaling in particular where you're not trying to sense yourself, that you just write whatever comes con stream consciousness. That's a big part of this methodology as well, that we, we encourage people to start the new path with a, themself, a brand new physical journey journal so that they can, you know. Start to make sense of themselves and it, for some reason, the act of writing, the science or Andrew Hub be able to tell us, wouldn't he? But the, the act of free writing, that's what helps change the neuroplasty in the brain and creates those new thoughts. So that's, that's the science. I don't, okay.

Dan Panzanaro: 22:07

Sorry. no, please.

Justine Clark: 22:10

I don't free journal enough. It's something that I, I, I want to get back to more, but as you were saying. day is now nowhere near long enough for the things that I want to do in it that, you know, I was gonna, I was gonna ask you what's what's, what's new. But for me, like you, it's that the day just simply isn't long enough.'cause there are so many things that I'm now able, capable, and want to do. and, you know, even a holiday looks different to how it used to look. A holiday used to look like, Having a drink at lunchtime, having more drinks in in the afternoon, drinking at dinner, and then going to bed at nine. And increasingly over the holiday, feeling worse now, a holiday is like, right. How many activities, adventures where's the gym? Is there a sauna? Bring me to the sauna. Where's the cold? You know, it, it's, so many rituals are available. So many self-care practices that I punctuate the day with, and I know that Barry's the same.

Barry Condon: 23:06

Yeah, no, I, yeah, I, I've, I've recently moved house and sort of coming up with a new routine. I used to do a lot of, HIIT workouts at home and early in the morning. And now that's sort of, you know, I'm living in a, in an apartment where I don't wanna wake the neighbors downstairs. And so I've sort of, I've moved to calisthenics in the morning and breathing. So I, I, yeah, I, I always start the, the day with, with some sort of Wi Wim Hof style kind. Deep breathing and, and breath hold just sort of get the, the juices flowing. And yeah, I try to, yeah. So I do sort of not, not long, you know, do five minutes of breathing, 15, 20 minutes of counter, and then I take the dog out for a run 15, 20 minutes and, you know, have a shower and you know, you, it's all done in an hour. And, and

Dan Panzanaro: 23:54

Nice. I think it's important to start the day in that way, you know? New mission, if I can is to drop down below five the moment now Monday to Monday to Friday. 5:00 AM if I, I don't know. I want to drop it down a little bit. I don't know. I got comfortable with five, so it Does that mean something? You know, it's the whole

Justine Clark: 24:12

Not comfortable.

Dan Panzanaro: 24:12

early in the morning, five o'clock is no problem. I go to bed at midnight, I go to bed. 11, him, 10, 9, 3. I still wake up at five without any problem. function.

Justine Clark: 24:22

still wake,

Barry Condon: 24:22

Wow.

Dan Panzanaro: 24:22

but I'm not a hundred percent. Of course, sleep is really important,

Justine Clark: 24:26

I'm.

Dan Panzanaro: 24:26

you know? Just crazy busy. So, but anyway, you know, sleep is really important.

Justine Clark: 24:32

Yeah, I mean, I, I know how busy you are'cause I have lived in the same country as you and, and seen your, your busyness. What do you see for your future and where are you heading then?

Dan Panzanaro: 24:48

So definitely slightly busier than this for couple of years, I'm afraid to say. But it's a good thing. I really enjoy what I do. So, it. You know, I joke about it, but it's my own

Justine Clark: 25:00

decision.

Dan Panzanaro: 25:01

So Sway is mine and investors of course. But know, so, so yeah, at a moment, I see

Justine Clark: 25:12

myself carry

Dan Panzanaro: 25:13

on with Sway starting the Academy, which is something we're working on and we'll be able to teach people how to teach people. that's something that I really want to start to do, but. We have to wait a little bit longer. So and part, part of this way, thing, by the way, is, is understanding why someone wants to change. So it's very interesting what you said before Barry, about the psychological side of thing. I found that there is a strictly correlation between also someone. physical performances. know, I do believe there is a correlation between the mind and the brain. So I, how fast and strong is the brain. So the body and, you know, so the lighting was saying mental sound and ano, so keep your mind healthy so your body will be too. So

Justine Clark: 26:01

yeah, so I

Dan Panzanaro: 26:01

we, I'm seeing myself in

Justine Clark: 26:02

game.

Dan Panzanaro: 26:04

for a couple of more years, five. And then awfully down to Europe again towards Spain. be nice in contact with the sun. I can see they have the sand through you in the Jan. I'm so jealous. I would like to, to feel out my skin. So so yeah, what, what's your, what's your plan? Are you planning to come back to, to K or to Eastern here?

Justine Clark: 26:27

I think, I think this, this whole freedom, this whole, being free from alcohol means that I have freed myself from so many constraints. Like I don't see, I've moved to New Zealand be right. You've moved, that's you done and dusted. I see. Now there's just another chapter while the kids finish school in university. While I develop my coaching business online, while I develop my sauna ritual business, while I develop my therapy business. That's all super exciting and I want to be able to, in, in five years time, I wanna be able to go and stay with you for six months in on the same town in Spain and go, I'm gonna work from here, or I'm gonna go and see where the kids are traveling and do that. We basically the shackles of life and start being able to use the brain and the body to, know, milk this life and make the most of it. So I think we're at the time, we're at the time now, we, we probably need to ask you what three words resonate with you around your journey from where you were four years ago, to the possibilities and excitement of your new business. And your life.

Dan Panzanaro: 27:39

Clarity and de decision and self-esteem. This is those are the three words that I think I took outta the journey really, know, because I was saying in the beginning, you start to have a bit more clarity of your totes that will allow you to also take decision.'cause you're not afraid on them. You can see them, then the self-esteem because you're actually doing something without being lost in your mind. So that was for me, really.

Barry Condon: 28:03

brilliant. I can really, really resonate with those. That's, yeah. Really good. So Dan tell, you know, if people are would like to hear a bit more about sway and, or, or a bit of, you know, bit more about you. Are you on, on the socials, you know, what's your, what's your Instagram handle?

Dan Panzanaro: 28:21

Yeah, so Sway is it's Sweat teacher doco 2K. Anyway, for the website. We, we, doing another version of it, so it's going to rebranding, but you can find all the information there and something very nice

Justine Clark: 28:32

Nice actually, came

Dan Panzanaro: 28:32

of, of my experience, of my lungs

Justine Clark: 28:34

my experience, my mind, because

Dan Panzanaro: 28:35

at the

Justine Clark: 28:36

was

Dan Panzanaro: 28:36

having to do. You know, I'm, I'm a nutritional coach myself,

Justine Clark: 28:41

myself.

Dan Panzanaro: 28:43

you know, that is as much as you know, so I always believe in the power of others. I was taking a nutritionist, I was going to psychotherapies. I always

Justine Clark: 28:51

I always

Dan Panzanaro: 28:51

strength coach. I'm a Master

Justine Clark: 28:53

I'm a

Dan Panzanaro: 28:53

in training myself.

Justine Clark: 28:54

myself,

Dan Panzanaro: 28:55

doing Pilate myself, and

Justine Clark: 28:56

myself.

Dan Panzanaro: 28:57

with this four or five different things that I was doing. And I said, hold on a second. What really are human needs to be able to perform and live a healthy life, you know, hopefully sober. where Sway sway up.

Justine Clark: 29:08

Way up,

Dan Panzanaro: 29:09

is a collective of services with all the specialists that collaborate

Justine Clark: 29:13

with

Dan Panzanaro: 29:14

with each other

Justine Clark: 29:15

each other

Dan Panzanaro: 29:15

to

Justine Clark: 29:15

and make a plan for you.

Dan Panzanaro: 29:17

fully customed, hundred

Justine Clark: 29:18

Customer

Dan Panzanaro: 29:19

on psychotherapies,

Justine Clark: 29:21

psychotherapy.

Dan Panzanaro: 29:22

You get a massage want

Justine Clark: 29:23

get a massage.

Dan Panzanaro: 29:24

as well. It's quite, it's quite a thing where everyone

Justine Clark: 29:29

My thing where

Dan Panzanaro: 29:29

own, the wellbeing, for the

Justine Clark: 29:32

wellbeing for the customer.

Dan Panzanaro: 29:34

so yeah. Hope you Justine, obviously when you're coming back to the country, be very happy you back. Of course. Be my pleasure. I'm very, where are you

Barry Condon: 29:42

I'm in Leiden in, in the Netherlands. So not far. Not far, but I, you know, I get back to, you know, my, my brother lives in Peckham. So, I get back to the UK pretty, pretty often.

Dan Panzanaro: 29:51

I.

Barry Condon: 29:52

But yeah, it's been,

Dan Panzanaro: 29:52

Listen, you're very welcome to come to, to our popup Dage classes, by the way, you know,

Barry Condon: 29:57

that sounds amazing.

Dan Panzanaro: 29:58

we supporting different coast than yours, but it's 9:00 AM So if you're there, we supporting Refuge which is a course to support Don, you know but supports violence in a home and and women anyway. And we donate quite a lot of it. So

Barry Condon: 30:11

That's brilliant. Well, we'll, we'll,

Dan Panzanaro: 30:12

don't have to pay your course. I'm not saying to to pay, but and say

Barry Condon: 30:16

yeah. No, we'll, we'll put, we'll put that information in, in the show notes so people can, can, can find you. Well thanks very much. It's been, it's been really lovely speaking to you.

Dan Panzanaro: 30:26

No, likewise. Thank you so.

Justine Clark: 30:28

you, Dan. You are, you are probably one of the most inspirational, well, you are the most inspirational trainer I've ever had and you've certainly helped me kickstart my journey here back in New Zealand and carry on the, the good work you started, although I don't think my pushups are as good anymore. That's for sure.

Dan Panzanaro: 30:44

It's teamwork. It's always teamwork. Especially can't do anything without other person willing to, You know? So it's good on you. Always, always good more on other person as you do it. coach can show you the ways, but you must walk it yourself, don't you? You know,

Justine Clark: 30:59

Exactly,

Dan Panzanaro: 31:00

your own journey that you develop within a yeah, we, you, you know.

Justine Clark: 31:06

exactly. Thanks so much, Dan.

Dan Panzanaro: 31:10

you guys.