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This is Alcohol Freedom Finders. This week we speak to the amazing Tony Will, who joined us in the same week that her TED Talk went live. Tony is a trailblazer and a disruptor who has broken many glass ceilings for herself and for women in general. Speaking of general, she is the general manager and governor, uh, of the Kalamazoo Wings, a men's professional ice hockey team in Michigan. A world dominated by men and steeped in drinking culture. So how did she learn not only to thrive in an environment like that, but also to find alcohol freedom while doing it? Well listen in and let Tony tell you herself. I.

Barry Condon: 0:36

Hi everybody. Welcome to Alcohol Freedom Finders with me, Barry Conn and my fantastic colleague Justine Clark. Today we're really excited to have with us Tony Will. She is the general manager of a men's pro hockey team in, in the United States, which is, which is pretty unusual. I think it's like 3% of, of, of people in the whole business there are, are, are women, let alone the general manager. So that's amazing. She's also a lifestyle coach and, and like Justine and I, she's also a, a, a coach with this naked mind. So we're really excited. There'll be so much to talk about. Welcome Tony.

Justine Clark: 1:13

Well, hi guys. I'm so excited to be with both of you and we're spread out like we're all over the world, the three of us, so it's pretty cool. I totally agree. I love the fact that we are spread out this, one of the things about this naked mind is. As it brings together from all over the world. why don't you tell us a little bit about, I don't know, what drew you to this naked mind in the first place?

Toni Will: 1:35

Yeah, so I was drawn to this naked mind because this wasn't my first rodeo, trying to quit drinking. And, in 2016, I, stopped drinking. I got arrested, for, disorderly conduct and, for, as a result of

Justine Clark: 1:50

I.

Toni Will: 1:51

like, I'll call it Brown out, I, I remember pieces and parts of it, but I was arrested and I was really. I carried a ton of shame around that. And immediately I thought, well, if I, and I was already questioning my relationship with alcohol, but I thought, well, if this is, this is the rock bottom everyone talks about, or whoever everyone is, right? And so I

Barry Condon: 2:12

I.

Toni Will: 2:12

immediately after I was bailed outta jail that I would, go to an AA meeting. And so I did that, and. was scared to death. I, I did, heaven forbid I saw someone I knew, which would be fun, ironic because we'd be struggling with the same thing. But there was real fear there. I spent 15 months actually in aa and I really enjoyed it for the most part. And I loved the community aspect. I loved being around people that, Like I just wasn't alone, right? And, then,

Barry Condon: 2:45

then, you know.

Toni Will: 2:46

or so, I'm like, well, it really wasn't that hard for me to stop. And I started to have these thoughts and I started to believe the thoughts and I started to think, oh, a cult. And, which I don't believe, but that's, I need a justification. So I had those saucer about. I don't know, 90 days. And then after 15 months of being sober, I went back out and I drank

Barry Condon: 3:06

I.

Toni Will: 3:06

years. And, af there was nothing in particular. It wasn't like some big arrest or anything. The, the next time I just, three years later, I was like, I'm so sick of myself. I didn't wanna go back to aa. It was at the beginning of the pandemic, and so I Googled other meth methodologies to stop drinking besides and the Naked Mind popped up. So I ordered that book and I ordered the live alcohol experiment, and I decided to put myself in a 30 day Tony timeout, that is how I found this naked in mind.

Barry Condon: 3:38

brilliant, brilliant. Okay, so, so you, you read the book and it was, it was, it was, it was lockdown. that right? Okay. So how, how was, how was lockdown then? I mean, what, what, what, what led you to the sort of switch at that point? That it, it, was it, was it sort of the, the, the being, cooped up at home or, or, or something else?

Toni Will: 3:57

you know, I kind of felt like, so, because I work in pro hockey and I stopped drinking in October of 2020. Normally in October we're launching our hockey season and our hockey season's long. It goes October to April regular season. If we go to playoffs, we're playing till June. So I was working from home, but it was not nearly at the volume because the season was dark. So I had this opportunity. work on me. And so I said, Tony, you have a choice. You can sit and drink during all this, or you can work on you because you knew what it was like to be sober before. And the methodology really resonated with me. So I just decided to take the time to focus on me, and that really was the crux of it. I was just sick of myself.

Justine Clark: 4:40

I totally get that. It's that whole sort of alter, alter ego of yourself that is running most of the show where you sort of, you're aware that you're running it. There's a duality of life where there's, there's the one part of you that is going, you know, what time today? Will I start to drink? Or, or won't I drink today? What am I gonna drink if I am gonna drink? How much is too much? All of that. So tiresome, right? we all have different struggles within that journey, and I think when people listen to people that have stopped drinking, they assume that they have some kind of magic trick up their sleeve and somehow they're lucky or they're different, or, you know, they have, they don't have the same gene. what about, so I like to talk about a little bit about the struggle. So for you personally, what did you find the biggest. Struggle about, particularly'cause you went back to it, right? what did you find, what did you find the struggle between? I've decided I'm not gonna drink again anymore.

Toni Will: 5:36

Yeah. Well, the first thing I'll note is that I really did. know it at the time that I was doing lengthening as

Justine Clark: 5:43

I.

Toni Will: 5:43

or strategy, but that's what I employed. And so I, I chose to do take a 30 day break and then I kind of reevaluated it after that. So I did the live, I did the 30 day alcohol experiment, and then I joined another program called Sober sis and extended it out 21 more days. And then it was after those. Six, seven weeks where I was like, I think I'm done. Right? So I, it wasn't a light switch. It wasn't like on October 12th, 2020 it was done and the light switch went on and the light bulb over my head went off. And life was good. No, it was hard. it was a giant identity switch because my friends called me Tony Party time. And, which I hated. I mean, I laugh now'cause it is kind of funny. But, it is fun. I mean, that's just who I was. I mean, I was the, the straw that would stir the drink, you know, if, if I was showing up into a, a place, it was gonna be fun until it wasn't. So yeah,

Barry Condon: 6:40

yeah.

Toni Will: 6:41

it was definitely not easy and I would say the identity piece was really hard. And then challenging all those beliefs around, like my list of why I drank and the number one belief at the top was for fun. And I had to unwind all those beliefs, and I did. I still have my list. I kept it and I use it in coaching quite often.

Barry Condon: 7:02

That's brilliant. I mean, I can say relate to that because the, I thought, you know, there would be no fun, you know, once I stopped and, and, and I, you know, I stopped. it's kind of that, you know, what Annie calls it, sort of spontaneous, stopped and, and, but then thought, well, how do I make this okay? And went looking for, for, you know, did the same Googling that you did and, and, and found Annie Graces and, and other quick lits that, that made me realize, you know, there must be, you know, another way of looking at it than, than aa. I mean, what, what was your. So you obviously had a decent time the first time around in aa, but what, what was it you sort of thought, you know, I don't wanna go back. what did you think you might find elsewhere and how would you talk about the difference between the two options as the sort of traditional method and the, this naked mind method for instance.

Toni Will: 7:43

Yeah, the what really pulled me away from AA was, well, number one, it's a hundred year old framework, and so it was very male centric, and I'm not anti-man by the way. It's not like that at all. But it was more, you know, I. The women are at home and the men are out drinking and earning money and all that, the framework was kind of archaic. and the other thing that I really struggled with was the stigma the notion of being powerless and'cause I do not believe that I'm powerless. I actually believe I'm powerful. And so, I don't subscribe to that. And I think the language we use is really important when it comes to something that's so stigma. Packed. So there's so much stigma behind quitting drinking. And so

Barry Condon: 8:28

So that's why I.

Toni Will: 8:29

I need a different way to look at this

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Toni Will: 9:12

and what really resonated with me. I was sold, on the book basically when Annie talked about that rebel tendency because she's, she identifies as a rebel. I do too. And really thinking about this in a space of. because I choose not to

Barry Condon: 9:27

Not.

Toni Will: 9:28

and I live alcohol free. And that language is important. That's what, you know, rebels do because we choose to be the minority and color outside the lines like I like to say. So the language made sense and it felt empowering. It didn't feel like something was wrong with me.

Justine Clark: 9:45

Yeah. I so love that answer. And I so love that you're talking about the stigma. Barry and I were talking about that, that just the other day about how actually, first of all, we have to start to be, to live with ourselves going, God, I, I, I have to acknowledge that I am drinking more than I want to be drinking. And then you have this kind of battle going, how do I,'cause I'm secretly drinking more than I wanna be drinking. Right? You're not even telling yourself that. And then how do I secretly unpick all of that because there's such a stigma around it. I don't want to do any formal method to start with. I just want to try and work out what is the right amount for me. How do I, you know, what, what is the right amount? So. Because you are where you are and you, you know, you, you have a, an amazing job and you are, you're a business woman. That stigma is, is, is huge. And there'll be other women and men like you that have an inkling that they need to reframe their relationship. What would you say to someone who is really feeling the stigma?

Toni Will: 10:51

Yeah, so there's this, what I, what, what I hear you referring to is like this inner knowing, and I had an inner knowing that my relationship with alcohol wasn't quite right and I knew that, well, I mean, back when I got arrested and I went through IOP, which is in, I. Inpatient, program or intensive outpatient program. And I was diagnosed with alcohol use disorder and so I didn't even have an inner knowing. I had an hour knowing too,'cause I, like, I had all the knowings, so like I had all the signs. It was just really believing it and accepting it and also accepting the fact that rules do apply to me. Like if I know internally that something's off, to listen to that, I tell you what I. That by removing this one substance from my life, I have opened up so many other doors and, we were talking off air before we hit record about the my TED Talk, and I never in a million years would've thought I'd be on a stage a TED Talk, let alone a TED Talk or talking about why I quit drinking. You know, and Oh, thank you. I, you know, like never, right. So, or starting a business because I'd have to tell everybody, like, how are you starting a business, Tony, and about quitting drinking? Like, how would you know to do that? Oh, I don't know, because I drank too much. Like, so I, I decided that I would tap into all that rebel side of me and say, yeah, I'm gonna do this. And, and, and because of these choices, and that inner knowing. Just listening to that, how far it can take you. But you have to be willing to like it. Just a willingness. You don't have to do anything about it. I tell my clients this all the time, just a willingness. You don't have to move to action yet, but willing to consider.

Justine Clark: 12:41

So just to say, what does that look like as a, as a statement or a phrase? Or, or, or, you know, what might, what might they be able to reframe? yeah. What does that look like?

Toni Will: 12:54

Yeah, so I, putting myself back in that it's, I'm willing to consider that my relationship with alcohol isn't what I want it to be. I think that language is important because what I want it to be, and I have to define that. Well, what did you want it to be back then? Tony and I wanted to be able, I wanted nothing more than my governing belief was to have it all, and I'm using air quotes if no one's watching this, but listening because my definition of having it all was coffee in the

Barry Condon: 13:27

The.

Toni Will: 13:27

wine at night. There were my bookends to the day, you know, ramp me up. Pull me down. Right? And so it's like, is that? What if having it all would, would I have, did I have a willingness to consider that? Having it all actually took those two things out and I already had it all, and then some if I didn't have coffee or alcohol. So I removed both at the same time back then. And I experimented with that. And, yeah. So it's this asking like, defining. What

Barry Condon: 13:57

What is that definition

Toni Will: 13:59

for me was having it all and

Barry Condon: 14:02

and why?

Toni Will: 14:02

such a big part of that picture?

Barry Condon: 14:06

Well, you talk about having it all. I mean, you, you know, being the general manager of a, of a pro hockey team and, and, and, and having had a successful career before that this sort of. To the outside world, I'm sure, sure. That, that people thought, you know, she has it all and you know, and, and then how, how in that sort of position of authority and a position of, of, of, you know, with people looking up to you, how, how did you approach, you know, telling people that, or did you tell people to begin with? Or how did, how did you come out of the closet of, of, of, of saying, you know, actually, you know, I, I, I had a problem and, and I'm not drinking anymore.

Toni Will: 14:38

Yeah, that was, oh, did I grapple with that? Because my job is public facing, and I thought. What if I come out and tell people this and I get fired or, you know, I don't know. I mean, worst we, we future trip all the time and you know, all this stuff. And I just said, you know what, if I'm gonna get fired or someone's gonna dislike me because I choose not to drink, then it's not meant to be my job. It's not, those people aren't meant to be in my life. Whoever, you know, all this stuff, I'm dreaming up. So what I did, what. What I did is around, on day 80, I wrote a, a social media post because I love a good loophole and I knew if I didn't tell my story,'cause on social media can frame your story the way you want, right? It's your social media, you get to write it. so I, but I wanted to talk about it publicly'cause I didn't do that before when I was in AA because a big part of AA is being anonymous. So I kicked anonymous to the curb and I said, I'm gonna own this. In the way that feels comfortable to me. So on day 80, I posted about. to, I was 80, free, 80 days alcohol free and why I was doing it, and that I'm hoping to shine a light on this for people during the pandemic who don't want to overdr and want to stop. And that's, I just, I I call that macro managing, like holding things loosely. I talk about it in the TED Talk. It's part of my leadership pillars. and, and a part of it was just telling on myself so I could. So I could free myself from the stories I was telling myself in my head of what others would think. And here's the thing, spoiler alert, I didn't lose my job. And everyone in my life has been wildly supportive. And I mean, there's been so many people that have come along in the journey as well. So.

Barry Condon: 16:22

No, I can, I can imagine that the, the, the. The world of, of men's hockey, is fairly alcohol centric as well, and that, so it, it, it would be extra nerve wracking to sort of come out to, to those kind of people.

Toni Will: 16:36

A hundred percent. And one of the things I talk about when I facilitate sessions, like I just got back from Boston yesterday and I. from the National Sports Forum and I, I facilitated a session on, how to 10 x your, your sales in sports. And, but, and one of those things is networking, right? That's a way we think we're, you know, and what comes with networking? Well, drinking and in sales. There's this belief, and I used to have it, that in order to sell and make connections, you gotta belly up to the bar. I, I completely dispel that and say, it's actually you wanna do business with the people who aren't bellying up to the bar because they're the ones up early in the morning working out who are clearheaded and are there to do work. Those are the people that you wanna be connected to. And it's funny to watch these light bulb moments go off because I'm like, those conversations you're having when you're drinking aren't as authentic as you think, you know? And as you, they start to consider that, they're like, oh yeah, we didn't think about that. So, it, it's just that I can teach and the more that I can, show a different way, in the hockey world specifically, or, and that actually at that, conference, it was all levels of sports, all sports. Doesn't matter what sport it was. Just to be able to say, you don't have to to fit in. You fit in even better just by being your authentic self without being all boozed

Justine Clark: 17:55

Yeah, I, I completely love that. And I, I, I think you've spoken to the two biggest things. The two biggest stigmas is, telling people. Generally telling people, your partner, your friends, anybody to start with. I think so many of us early in the journey sit in that space of trying to just go it alone. So telling people is so key. and then the second part is how do I do me going forward? How do I do me at work, how I do me at Christmas? And, what you are speaking to is the discoveries that happen, on the, on the other side of starting to find what it's like to actually be used. So, we've talked about, you know, the work, reframe. What other things do you think you've learned about yourself in doing you.

Toni Will: 18:45

Yeah, I think that so, because my job like, it, it, it, they're intersected, right? Because what's happened is my worlds personally and professionally just they've kind of morphed into one, but I'm more confident in all areas of my life because I choose, I. Not to drink. I know who I am now through and through, I mean warts and all. And, and that's okay. I'd rather have like my worst day being alcohol free is like nothing. I mean, it's just easy compared to like a being hung over and And I've dealt with some really challenging things in my four and a half years of being alcohol free. Justin and I were just talking about when we, when I interviewed you on my podcast, my mom passed away on February 9th after a very long battle with Alzheimer's and I was in the room, I was present. I was, and not just there. They just live a half hour from me or my dad does now. But I was there for all of it, right. And I just got into a car accident on Sunday on the way to the airport and totaled my car by hitting a deer the day after my mom's funeral. But here's the beautiful thing. It was an early Sunday morning drive to the airport. I was, there was not a care in the world'cause I wasn't partying Saturday night trying to get to the airport on time, smoking a deer and worried that I smelled like booze. You know, like I, it like there's so much freedom in that. There's so much freedom in all of that and just being, authentic in all my spaces and having my faculties and I, and I really truly mean this. I feel so empowered by the choice di and I wanna also say this, it didn't always feel that way. That

Justine Clark: 20:32

Yeah.

Toni Will: 20:32

year, year and a half was

Justine Clark: 20:33

Yeah. Yeah.

Toni Will: 20:34

It was tough'cause my brain was screaming at me. Tony, you need alcohol to live. Because that's what we do. We condition our brain to think that way. It's not my fault, but I had to really work on it. It was, it did not come easily. And, one more thing, I, I will say, Justine, that I believe one of the silver bullets is telling people, that's hard for un individuals to hear because they're like, no, I don't want that to be the thing, Tony. And I'm like, no, but it is the thing

Justine Clark: 21:02

Yeah. A

Barry Condon: 21:03

That's

Justine Clark: 21:03

a hundred percent. I, I'm with you there.

Barry Condon: 21:05

brilliant. I'm so sorry to hear about your mother. I know, I know how that that is, Justin and I both lost a parents in the last year and, and, and yeah, it's, it's, it's never easy. but you're so right. It when you are, when you can be there and, and, and. process it and, and, and feel it in the moment. And, and you know, we think, you know, we're taught, you know, for every occasion, you know, celebrate, commiserate, you know, deal with pain, you know, drink, drink, drink. That's what society, you know, our culture, you know, throws at us as the solution to everything. And, and, and I know in the past I would've done that and, you know, you'd push down the feelings and and you probably. You know, make a mess of other relationships around, say the wrong things. And, and, and, you know, it's so often that families end up falling apart around, losing someone. and I know that, that, that this time, you know, my brother doesn't drink either. And, and, and, you know, my sister doesn't really drink very much either. And, and, and my mom was off the booze as well at the time. And, and, and, you know, it, it, it really allowed us to be, you know, together and, and, I, I, yeah, it, it, it was a sort of unexpected benefit that, that, that I felt this year. wow. That's, that's, that's great. But we, we skipped over your TED talk and we can't do that. That's just too unbelievable. So was the Ted, the TED Talk, I have actually watched it, but for people who haven't seen it yet, you, you, you speak wonderfully about your business, but you also talk about, talk about alcohol as well. That, that, you know, how, how did that all come about? How, how were you approached and, and, and how did you come up with your. Your, your, your, your whole, talk. Yeah.

Toni Will: 22:40

one of the things I'm wildly passionate about beyond Living Alcohol free is lifting women up in general. But it, which is why I have my podcast Women in Do I have men and women on Justine's already been on. Barry, you're coming on next. You just don't know it. because I'll email you that after we're done here, but I, I wanna lift women up'cause for so many reasons. But, So that's kind of where this started. One of my coworkers, within the marketing hospitality world emailed me or texted me. She said, she sent me a screenshot. She said, you should apply for this. And it was for the TED Talk and, and it was being hosted here in my hometown. And I

Barry Condon: 23:16

I thought, okay.

Toni Will: 23:16

I'll just, I'll email the organizer and say I'm interested. Ted. TED Talks never been on my bucket list. I watch'em, I use, I refer clients to them a lot, like, watch this'cause there's so many great talks out there, but it's never been something I wanted to do. but I do love to public speak, so I don't know why it wasn't on my list, but it wasn't, anyways, so they emailed me like six weeks later. They're like, yeah, we'd love for you to apply. This is hilarious. I go, you have to apply for this. Like, I had no clue. So I, I'm in an airport and I'm like, fine, I'll apply. And so I took five whole minutes, like zero thought. And not that I blew it off, but I was like, oh, I didn't, I thought they just wanted me anyways, so I apply and then I heard like two months later. I got an email'cause I'd forgotten about it, that I was selected and I was happy, but I, I, again, I didn't understand the gravity of it, and then I was having kind of a crappy day. And so I'm like, well, I'll share this on social media that I, I'm doing a TED talk. So I did, and it, it exploded and I'm like, oh, is a really big deal. I, I laugh at my negativity sometimes. And so

Barry Condon: 24:20

So

Toni Will: 24:20

what,

Barry Condon: 24:21

what, what, when

Toni Will: 24:22

a TED Talk is

Barry Condon: 24:24

they?

Toni Will: 24:24

Really hook you up with writers, coaches, training videos on how to craft a talk. And I had just under a hundred days and so I took the course'cause I had not researched this at all. And and then I started working with my coaches and with a writer and I said, you want me to write every single word out? And my writer kind of giggles. She goes, yeah, Tony. And I'm like. Oh my gosh. Okay. So I started working on it and my husband, my, he's just fantastic. he was really a partner in this and he helped me fine tune it along with my coaches, and it ended up being seven pages of dialogue. and I, it took me every bit of those day, 90 plus days to memorize it. I chose, if I'm gonna do a TED Talk, I'm gonna do a TED Talk and I'm gonna memorize every single word. and so I did, and I just got published, like I did it in October. I. And then it takes some time for it to be, go through the TED platform and all their approval processes. And so it got published last week and I got to see it with all of you.'cause I did, I, I didn't get to see it. So I was really proud of it and how I decided on what I was gonna write. I really wanted to tell stories, around being a minority in sports, but also being a minority. not to drink and how I did that, because I want other people to be able to walk away and say, oh, I can do that. And so that's the, the stories and the idea I shared.

Justine Clark: 25:57

Do you know what's really incredible about that? Is that people think Lucky Tony, she got to do a TED Talk. Lucky Tony. She's got a great job and is, you know, alcohol free. But what you've shown there is actually that bit that's going on beneath the surface. You memorized every word of a seven page script, and I don't know if anyone else has been through menopause out there, but that gets tougher. To memorize, you know, it, it does get tougher as we get older to memorize things. that's totally extraordinary. And I just think you're, you're an inspiration to women and you really are living up to, to all the things that you, aspire to be in your core values. If you had, if you had a gift, a little present wrapped up beautifully that you could give to yourself, maybe back, let's just go back, maybe give it to you and. I don't know, maybe even 15 years ago. If you could give yourself a little gift, what would that be?

Toni Will: 27:01

I, when I think about 15 years

Justine Clark: 27:03

I.

Toni Will: 27:04

I was 31. I would say just keep trusting your gut. I really would, I would just, I would do it all over again. All of it, and, because it's made me where I am today. So the gift would be a little note that I wrote to myself. Just keep going, Tony. Just keep going.

Justine Clark: 27:24

Yeah. See, see that's extraordinary in itself as well.'cause what you're saying is, the answer is be authentic, be vulnerable, be yourself. And I've probably gone ahead and, you know, we always ask this last question, you know, what three words would describe your journey? Yours will be different. So, yeah. What, what three words, would describe the biggest takeaway in this journey so far?

Toni Will: 27:51

So my three words might be a little different. And I have listened to your podcast because you have, some fabulous guests, some of which I know. So I'm always like, oh, I wanna listen. I heard about it. I was like, so I started listening to this. mine might be different in my three words, and I'm gonna keep it PG because I. I'm following rules. I'm not gonna be a rebel right now, but my three words are, let's fricking go.

Justine Clark: 28:12

Yeah.

Barry Condon: 28:13

Very good, very good. I mean, yeah. And that's amazing. And, and, and, and do you miss, Tony party time? You know, how, how do you find fun still now without, your, your, your alcohol partner?

Toni Will: 28:26

Yeah, I do. I don't miss her at all actually. I, I actually think fondly of her, in the sense that, she got out of that part of her life what she was supposed to. And, I, I think, good for you, Tony, for man, you let her rip and somehow I stayed above ground. I don't know how, but I did. so yeah, I, I don't, I don't miss her, but I really enjoy me. Like now I'm just much, I have so many more layers to me, and I'm, a lot more empathy. I'm, I'm not selfish. I'm not driven by where can I get my next drink. So,

Barry Condon: 29:01

Yeah,

Toni Will: 29:01

yeah, I, I am. I really am at peace with like this, this part

Barry Condon: 29:06

part of my life. What do I.

Toni Will: 29:08

I do talk about that in the TED Talk, but I, I love watching True Crime. I'm a big, like true crime buff. I love to read books. I read my age every year. So I'm reading 46 books this year. or more. I li I listen to my age two, meaning I listen to at least 46 podcast episodes that are not mine'cause that's cheating. But I do listen back to all of mine and, and then I, you know, I love to travel. So, and that's just some of the stuff that I do to have fun. I mean, my husband and I are goofballs. We just do funny things and laugh all the time. I laugh more now than I did back when I thought I was having fun with alcohol.

Barry Condon: 29:42

Brilliant. tell people where they can find you and and and who are the sort of, you know, what sort of people are you, are, are, are you looking to help, obviously women, but, but, but, but in your own words.

Toni Will: 29:54

Yeah, so, I can be found. So if you, if you're interested in the hockey side of my life, k wings.com, K as in Kalamazoo, which is where I'm from, wings with an s.com. My coaching business for lifestyle coaching is mindfulness elevated.com. And then I have a professional coaching, professional development coaching business too to help people break through their own personal glass ceilings in their career. and that's tony will coaching.com. I'm on all social media, well, not all. I'm on three social media platforms, LinkedIn and Facebook at Tony Ntini, will and Instagram. I'm Tony Will, and then, I help, I coach actually both men and women. I find that the type of client that is attracted to me is generally high achieving, values, wellness, health and wellness is part of their, you know, approach towards the alcohol coaching or the professional development coaching, because once you remove alcohol, you're just. butt on the, your, career side of life too. So, but I, I, that's typically the type of client I track and I coach clients all over the world. So that's the beautiful thing about technology.

Barry Condon: 31:00

Brilliant. We'll get all that in the show notes, the, all your legs.

Justine Clark: 31:03

Thank you so much for being with us. You are an inspiration to me and it's been such a pleasure talking with you.

Toni Will: 31:10

Oh, you guys

Barry Condon: 31:10

Yeah. Thanks, study.

Toni Will: 31:11

work and I love being in great company with other, the Naked Mind coaches. There's nothing better than this group of people, I tell you.